North Korea "declares war"

[fat lesbian]

that's actually not true either. different people say different things... westerners and defectors alike. the main dividing line between different opinions seems to be class, which is again eerily similar to what divides the us from being an alright place to live from absolute hell on earth

[fat lesbian]

and im not saying the abuses don't exist. every nation has human rights abuses, it's a symptom of the state. im saying that propaganda will blow anything about your enemy out of proportion and exaggerate it and they do it just as well as we do.

[grue]

independent reporters have confirmed the humans rights abuses and wanton poverty. unless you believe everyone is in on the conspiracy, you can't deny the information that we have. it's not the case of localized abuses in a country where the majority is living a happy, healthy life. it's widespread misery in a country ruled by a brutal pseudo-stalinist core that operates through censorship and violence.

I get that there's a relativism to all of this but there's a line to be drawn somewhere and I guess this is mine

Edit: and yes the US isn't innocent in driving the country into the state that it is right now. but that can't be the end of the conversation, imo. brutal regimes are brutal regimes, even if they arose with the help or as a consequence of someone else's imperialism

Edit2: I guess if this was about Cuba, my way would go much more in line with yours

[fat lesbian]

i believe that everyone, independent reporter or not, is influenced by their own bias and sees what they want to see. i also believe they have the ability to embellish things for an agenda. i think far more critical perspectives need to be taken when discussing the dprk

and that's not the end of the conversation but it should be a significant part of it as another example of the us condemning its own creations when they go awry of its interests

[fat lesbian]

i genuinely believe that the abuses in the us are unmatched, even by the dprk. having 1 in 100 americans in prison, out of control militaristic police and the brutality that comes with it, an actual loophole in our constitution that legalizes SLAVERY of the incarcerated... if we're any better now, not for long. my main issue is people who criticize the dprk the loudest and eat up us propaganda are the same ones who will outright deny these same things in their own country

[GeorgeBubbinzInSpace]

I genuinely believe that adolf hitler was gravely misunderstood.

[grue]

of course everyone has a bias but somehow you gotta take some information in. where from? the dprk? lmao. south korea? they're the borowitz report of nk news. the best we have is independent journalism, with all the caveats that yeah, we should have regarding all journalism. otherwise, you have western maoists singing praises but that's... good lord.

my point is there are things you can talk about. noone here knows shit about nk so we can all just throw punches from ignorance.

(honestly as for myself i think that there's more to the dprk than it shows, bc it makes no sense. why isnt it over? it's like it's too convenient that it exists. i wonder if the secretism protects the ptb)

[fat lesbian]

lol @ comparing the dprk to hitler in literally any way

i get my information mostly from defectors who like i said have wildly varying accounts. now i ain't a hasidic hillbilly with a snoot fulla honeybees (a tankie) but imo their words just simply hold more weight than other accounts

and ya obviously there's more to it, if it were as wildly dangerous and unstable as western propaganda makes it seem they just plain wouldn't exist.

[Delirious Biznasty]

I genuinely believe that adolf hitler was gravely misunderstood.

I do too, but in the sense of misinterpretation, but this isn't the thread for this